Vienna and Tysons area residents want Connector bus services in their communities, but residents don’t agree on how they want the routes to run once the first half of the Silver Line opens at the end of 2013.
During a two-hour meeting at Westbriar Elementary School, Fairfax County Department of Transportation officials presented a series of proposed modifications to bus service to and from Silver Line stations. But residents raised concerns about route layouts, bus frequency, parking facilities and more.
The meeting was one of several planned this week and over the next few months as the Board of Supervisors looks to approve bus service changes by May.
The county’s 2010 Transit Development Plan recommends 12 new routes be added to Tysons, McLean and Reston in concert with the opening of the new Metro line. It recommends 21 other routes be tweaked and six more be eliminated.
Christy Wegener, FCDOT’s Fairfax Connector chief, assured bus riders alternate service would be provided for the eliminated routes.
“We are not looking to remove service from any area of the county,” she said. “We are looking to enhance service.”
Routes 425 and 427 would be eliminated and riders would use the Silver Line rail or a new Fairfax Connector Circulator in their place.
Routes 505 and 555 — which provide service from Reston Town Center and Sunset Hills, respectively, to West Falls Church — would be replaced by new route 959, from Sunrise Valley to Sunset Hills; and riders using routes 595 and 597 would be able to take the Silver Line.
For other notable routes, see list at the bottom of this story.
Route 432, which would run weekday rush-hour service to Spring Hill Metro Station and Leesburg Pike via Trap Road and Old Courthouse Road, was one route debated by residents at the meeting.
Some area residents argued Old Courthouse Road in Vienna, one of the route's main arteries, was too narrow and highly populated to accommodate large buses during rush hours.
Department of Transportation officials agreed Route 432 needed further study.
The route would have to use smaller, 30-foot buses that hold 29 people, Wegener said, to move forward as proposed; the larger Connector buses wouldn’t be able to make some of the turns near Old Courthouse Road.
Residents also feared for the safety of kids who attend schools in the area, including Westbriar and Colvin Run Elementary Schools, saying huge buses would be added to the already dangerous car traffic.
But other residents argued that ideally, buses would reduce the number of cars on the road.
“Every person who gets on a bus is one less person who’s going to be driving down Old Courthouse Road,” Wolftrap homeowner Dan Benson said.
Other residents said the route needed to have buses running in both directions because crossing Leesburg Pike to get to a bus stop during rush hour is dangerous.
Finally, many residents were concerned about a lack of parking infrastructure. Some homeowners feared that commuters who lived too far from a bus stop would drive to the nearest location and park their cars in the neighborhood for the day.
But FCDOT representative Eric Teitelman said his office didn’t think there was much danger of that happening.
He said county parking enforcement policies in the neighborhoods surrounding new Silver Line stations were probably “inevitable,” but said it was less common with bus routes.
Fairfax County Supervisor Cathy Hudgins (D-Hunter Mill) said constituents were raising valid concerns – most people want buses but they want to make sure the system is sound.
"People want to make sure it’s going to be a reliable service, that it’s going to be frequent,” Hudgins said after the meeting. “We haven’t heard anybody say ‘We don’t want this,’ but they want to know how it’s going to work.”
Another round of public meetings is planned for April, and the Board of Supervisors is set to make a decision in May. Bus service will launch on the day of the Silver Line’s opening.
For more information, visit www.fairfaxconnector.com or email fairfaxconnector@fairfaxcounty.gov.
Notable Proposed Routes in the Vienna/Tysons area
401: Backlick – Gallows Road – Tysons Northbound/402: Backlick – Gallows Road – Tysons Southbound: Runs throughout the week from Tysons Corner Metro Station to Franconia Springfield Metro Station, serving Annadale, INOVA Fairfax Hospital and Merrifield.
434: Dunn Loring – McLean: Runs weekday rush hour service to Dunn Loring, West Falls Church and McLean Metrorail Stations via Idylwood Rd and Great Falls Street.
461: Vienna Circulator: Runs weekday rush hour service from the Town of Vienna to Vienna Metrorail Station via Nutley Street, Tapawingo Road, Park Street, Malcolm Road and Flint Hill Road.
462 Dunn Loring – Tysons: Runs weekday rush hour service from Dunn Loring Metrorail Station to Tysons Corner Metrorail Station with a stop at Navy Federal Credit Union.
463: Vienna – Tysons: Runs weekday rush hour service from Vienna Metrorail Station through the Town of Vienna to Tysons Corner Metro Station.
SLC 1-4: Four special Silver Line Circulator routes that will run weekday service from locations around Tysons Corner crom 5:30 a.m. to 11 p.m. every 10 minutes during rush hours. Service will slow to 20-30 during midday and evening.
As far as additional traffic around schools - that is a complete misnomer by those that oppose the Connectors. Buses would remove those drivers who opt to bus vs drive and a great many of the cars around schools are not commuters but parents who drive their children to school and then return home. The safety of children are impacted more by those drivers than a bus that might pass by the school exactly at arrival time - given the Connectors will run every 30 mins. And children are more in danger to the current set of drivers who regularly ignore the flashing lights of the bus. I was also encouraged to hear of the Madison HS student who lives off Follin Lane who uses the Connector to get to school....excellent to hear of such.
As someone who used to live with a bus stop right behind my place, if you can't handle the relatively mundane sound of a bus every 30 minutes, then it's time to move out into the mountains and become a recluse. God forbid the sound of an engine going past! Well I never!
The route would have to use smaller, 30-foot buses that hold 29 people, Wegener said, to move forward as proposed; the larger Connector buses wouldn’t be able to make some of the turns near Old Courthouse Road.
From where we were standing in Westbriar ES last night, we can go down Pine Valley and cross the woods and be at Rt 7 in 5 minutes if there was a path cleared for people who need Silver Line access. This is not splitting atoms -- we need the infrastructure in place, the current is close to 70 yrs old and where is the proposal on completing missing sidewalks, trails, paths, crosswalks the connect the entire network??? And btw, I am one of those people like you who walks, runs, bikes to most places like what I did last night and I know many in this community who are very much like me because I see them out there.
No doubt walking infrastructure needs to improve here as well as across the County. I am aware of 3 access points being planned to Tysons through the 'forest' as well as improvements on OC Road for sidewalks on the uphill bend towards Gosnell Road. Those plans were presented at the various public Bicycle Master Plan Meetings held last year.
End of day...the argument that a single 29 person bus passing on Old Courthouse Rd every 30 mins - which if it runs 5-9am and 4-8pm equates to 16 passes - is going to create unacceptable traffic volume is simply wrong. And if it actually stops to pick up passengers....it might even slow traffic down. It would be worth noting to FCDOT to review where stops will be placed and how residents will cross OC Rd to get to those stops....that I can see as a safety concern. And I will do that as part of my feedback to them. It might be a good application to use one of these devices that is now being rolled out by FCDOT. http://youtu.be/KBltx0Argag
Children right now are having to wait for the school bus on the street, having to walk to school on the street on certain parts of Old Courthouse Road. You of all people should be opposing any child walking on the street with speeding cars. Go to www.saferouteswestbriar.com, check out how the crossing guard and children dodge speeding cars on a daily basis. If the metro is opening at the end of the year, the network should also be available for access the same time it opens. Aren't you in Safe Routes to school program and isn't safety of children primary focus along with health? BTW, this community just found out about this "proposal" last Thursday -- so the only dialogue I know of was last night's meeting
Here are the rest ( excerpt from the letter I sent dated 1 Feb 2013) 1. I am very surprised by this proposal of a "park and ride" route for the Silver line. I went to the Planning Commission meetings from 2009 to 2011 on Comprehensive Plan for Tysons re-development. This concept of "park and ride" and our community, specifically Old Courthouse Road were NOT part of Tysons re-development. I believe it is misleading or even misrepresentation for Fairfax County to advertise, promote, market to the public the whole concept of "imagine people not cars" when it will be bringing and routing more buses in the surrounding communities of Tysons. Is this the result of poor planning? poor design?
2. On 6 May 2011, I spoke with Mr. Randall White from Countywide Transit Services Coordinator, Transit Services Div at Fairfax County Department of Transportation. During this conversation, he said that Old Courthouse Road is not a good bus route, he "added several more concerns to that list based on recent observations of field conditions". Mr. White also stated missing infrastructure, geological (yes, this community sits on a large slab of stone so when a FEDEX truck passes by, the entire house shakes as evidence of the picture attached) as well as sight distance issues on the curve going down the hill from Gosnell has a blind spot (dog leg right) before the intersection of Old Courthouse Road and Westbriar Ct/Rd, another is the upward hill/curve on Old Courthouse Road and Creek Crossing.
And if cars are 'speeding thru the crosswalk while pedestrians are present then FCPD needs to be alerted so they can provide adequate enforcement. And if it's parents of students then other parents need to let them know it is unacceptable. I won't address your attempt to say I don't have safety/health as foremost...... These arguments run hollow because they have NOTHING to do w/ a proposed bus ..... but instead are traffic problems that have existing and will continue to exist even with a bus.
Final point: One of my best memories with my grandmother was walking 3 blocks to catch the bus to downtown Providence to shop for school clothes. Little did she know the impact that had and how I'd like to impact my children the same way. OC Road has a CAR problem....that is the issue not busses or kids walking to school.
And please feel free to come to a FABB meeting to work w/ the rest of the bicycle advocates in the County. It is held in the Town of Vienna and most everyone rides their bikes there.... As a member of the Vienna BPAC you are more than welcome and we applaud things like the bike racks you helped put into the town.
http://www.saferoutespartnership.org/sites/default/files/pdf/Air_Source_Guide_web.pdf Research show traffic pollution has adverse effects on public health specifically on children, elderly, and people with pulmonary, respiratory, and cardiovascular diseases. Below is an excerpt from Safe Routes to School and Traffic Pollution, Get Children Moving and Reduce Exposure to Unhealthy Air, published in June 2012, page 6 – a. "Common types of traffic pollution include particle pollution, such as fine and ultrafine particulate matter; nitrogen oxides (NOx); hazardous air pollutants (HAPs), including carcinogens such as benzene and formaldehyde; volatile organic compounds (VOCs); carbon monoxide (CO); and polyaromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). In addition, two of these types of traffic pollutants, nitrogen oxides and volatile organic compounds, produce ozone (O3) when they mix in the presence of sunlight. [See page 8 for additional information.] Results of scientific studies have shown that short- and long-term exposure to these emissions may cause adverse health effects, particularly in sensitive populations, such as children, the elderly, low-income populations and individuals with pre-existing medical conditions including asthma or cardiovascular disease."
The 432 will help reduce cars on these roads - it is clean diesel and likely will one day be either full electric or a hybrid. But the SUVs driving up and down OC Road won't be. That is the problem.... If you don't want a bus in front of your house then say so but these arguments only support the need for a bus. I'd prefer to hear arguments like busses bring in riff raff than a bus is going to run over helpless little kids on their way to school. And if you keep picking on me about SRTS - you are barking up the wrong tree. 8^)
W/new construction like Loudoun, well heck, let's go w/the Tysons scenario. Sidewalks are REQUIRED in all new development i.e. Tysons per Comprehensive Plan. FHWA states that sidewalks separated from the roadway are the preferred accommodation for peds. Sidewalks provide many benefits like safety, mobility, healthier communities. Our community is old. In my opinion, it should be outfitted/updated to prep for the upcoming Silver line opening so people who live in this community can access it safely, easily. My point is that cost of sidewalks, crosswalks, or paths is a fraction of a new roadway construction or a bus service & will last 50+ yrs w/very little maintenance or repairs & the benefits far outweigh the initial small investment. My community was built in 1950s & needs a lot of "modifications" to tackle the challenges of 2013 and beyond. W/your community, you may only need touch-ups. We should be provided w/a side by side cost-benefits analysis of the bus service vs. outfitting the community with sidewalks, crosswalks, paths, connecting all to create a comprehensive network. :)
As much as I enjoy the friendly banter we had, I will have to say OVER & OUT! Have a good evening all!
End of day - it's unrealistic to expect 100% connectivity by the end of 2013 ....via paths/sidewalks that have disconnected for the better part of 25 years. So what is the next best solution - a bus for local residents to ride to the Silver Line so they can then take the Metro to DC or MD vs. have them drive on 66 or across town thru other neighborhoods to park at the Metro. In fact FCDOT has wild stat on all those cars parked at the Metro. I have asked for it but haven't received it back yet. And if there are other buses that will stop drivers from cutting thru our neighborhoods then all the better. This is not fixed overnite......but it can be fixed and we need all tools at our disposal to do so. Building the mindset of the next generation is part of what I am doing via SRTS.
I agree that the 80's/90's created incomplete street issues and missing connectivity. Again blame the automobile centric culture but realistically a sidewalk takes a lot longer to get in play than a bus......and in many cases each resident has to be convinced of such before it goes in. Lots of not in my yard arguments out there. Just look how long the NoVi Trail effort has been going on......years and it's still not near completion. And if we dovetail SRTS into this again - that can help fill in these missing gaps that exist...not just for walking to school but for walking anywhere....via infrastructure grants. And it was one of the arguments we used to get FCDPOT and FCPS to work together.