Fairfax County Endorses Tax Hike for Tysons Transportation

Supervisors voted Tuesday to back a funding plan for the next 40 years.

The Fairfax County Board of Supervisors on Tuesday endorsed a plan that would require Tysons developers and landowners to fund billions of dollars worth of transportation improvements to help the area become the county’s new urban center.

But support of the plan is split among stakeholders. About half of the 25 speakers during a two-and-a-half hour public comment period Tuesday night vocally opposed the plan, which sets up a special tax district that will require some residential landowners to pay higher taxes along with developers.

The Board’s 7-2 vote to approve the plan brings the special tax district one step closer to fruition. With a tax hike of 7 to 9 cents per $100 of assessed value, the district is expected to generate approximately $250 million over the next 40 years.

Supervisor Lynda Smyth (D-Providence) made a motion to try to exempt residential properties from the tax increase after hearing opposition from residents, but her colleagues killed it for fear the General Assembly wouldn’t support such a provision when the plan gets reviewed in Richmond.

“This is a major step in the right direction for realizing the Vision of Tysons,” Chairman Sharon Bulova said after the vote. “Investing in Tysons is an investment in the future of Fairfax County.  Never before has such a long range, comprehensive plan been developed to support a major redevelopment initiative.”

Many of the plan's detractors were Tysons residents who didn’t want to see their property taxes increase.

“It’s a nightmare of endless taxation that goes on for 40 years for the residents and the small businesses of Tysons,” Michael Bogasky, president of the Rotonda Condominium Association, said of the plan.

David Lee, another Rotonda resident, echoed similar sentiments.

“I think you pay for what you get in real estate, and we don’t want to pay twice for what we have,” he said in his testimony.

Lucille Weiner, a recently widowed Tysons resident, urged supervisors to protect residents like her, who would likely have to move if property tax rates go up.

“I’ve read that the people who benefit the most get taxed the most,” she said. “But who is benefitting the most? It sure isn’t me, who will have to move if this happens.”

Developers were more supportive of the Board’s action and the plan as a whole.

Tom Fleury of Cityline Partners, a company that has development applications pending, was one of those in favor.

“We’re very much in favor of this proposal,” he said. “If I ever there was a day that I would come and ask you to approve $13 a square foot in transportation proffers and ask you for a 7 to 9 cent tax on top of that, I probably should have retired, but that’s what it takes to get the job done.”

Other speakers called the plan fair and praised it for taking all of the stakeholders into account in an equitable manner.

Smyth and Pat Herrity (R-Springfield) voted against the endorsement of the plan. Supervisor Gerry Hyland (D-Mount Vernon) was not present for the vote.

Herrity wanted to see a reduction in workforce housing and for developers to fully fund the transportation improvements. He too made a failed motion to nix the tax district.

A vote to officially establish the tax district is expected later this year. The Board will hold a public hearing on the issue between now and then.

Kim McCoy October 23, 2012 at 01:28 PM
Well, NAVID ROSHAN...I see you spent 6 posts skirting the issue at hand and rambling on about some socialist nonsense, but you couldn't find a way to answer two simple questions. Straightforward isn't your strong suit, is it? It is also apparent that you are not used to having your dogma challenged...especially by a woman who isn't afraid of you or your misogynistic insults. So, I will leave you with one final question and one final observation. 1. When the Board approved the Metro, all the contracts were signed, and the county broke ground on Phase I, what was the concrete plan in place to fund Phase II?...and why did that concrete plan fail? (I would refer you to the topic of the article at hand) 2. Let's say, for the sake of argument, you are right about 60% of the people wanting to pay higher taxes to fund the Metro and the other 40% just have to accept it, because that's how our system works. The beauty is that 100% of the people get the added privilege of, once the Metro opens, paying exorbitant, ever-increasing FARES to ride it....for the rest of their lives. The Silver Line: The gift that keeps on taxing!
Navid Roshan October 23, 2012 at 02:13 PM
Kim I'm starting to think you cant read unless things are in caps so for your blind and illiterate benefit THIS TAX DOES NOT GO TOWARDS ANY METRO FUNDING THIS IS ONLY FOR ROADS WALKS AND THE FAIRFAX CIRCULATOR BUS WITHIN TYSONS CORNER. THE PREVIOUS TAX WAS ASKED FOR BY DEVELOPERS, VOLUNTARILY, 3 YEARS AGO WHICH DID FUND PART OF PHASE 1. THEY VOLUNTEERED BECAUSE AS BUSINESS LEADERS THEY KNOW THAT METRO MEANS MARKETABILITY AND VALUE TO THEIR PROPERTIES AND LEASE CAPABILITIES. On the issue of Phase 2 Phase 1 and phase 2 were separated because at the time only phase 1 could attain federal funding via the stimulus given the ridership requirements needed to attain that funding. The funding of Phase 2 has nothing to do with anything in this article or anything I have discussed. If you want to discuss that, go talk to business people in the Reston and Ashburn community. The vote that occurred has literally NOTHING to do with that. That is the problem that you are not letting sink in. This vote was for Tysons and Tysons only, within the boundaries of Tysons (with the exception of 10% of the funding for Route 7 outside of Tysons in order to help commuters not living in Tysons). I'd also like to point out about your anti-transit idiocy that metro fares have increased at a slower rate over the last 20 years than both gas and the rate of inflation averaged over a 3% GDP. Just stop arguing, go read up on the 20 year history of this project and then come back to discuss
Brandon Calhoon October 23, 2012 at 03:08 PM
Take it to him Kim! Don't get bullied and believe the lie that because you are conservative that you are simple. Liberals mask their ignorance by sounding lofty and attempt to unify their minions with socialist dribble. Any open minded and intelligent individual would see you are correct in your assessment. Ladies and Gentlemen, this has been Point and Counterpoint with Kim and Navid.
Navid Roshan October 23, 2012 at 03:49 PM
I'm not even a liberal. Thats the funniest part about this. You assume I am some socialist because what? 1) I believe in free market capitalism 2) I believe in infrastructure via other means that highways, something that was paramount in Reagan's policies? 3) I believe that developers should be allowed to make significant profit, but that it shouldnt be at the cost of condemning other properties? How is any of that socialist? Oh right, because TRAINS ARE BAD!! GRRR!! Agenda 21!! How dare a transportation engineer with 10 years and a P.E. license try to explain to a layman how transportation planning should occur. I mean her knowledge in this matter is just as significant as mine.
Navid Roshan October 23, 2012 at 03:51 PM
Socialism would be if the new tax was applied to all of Fairfax, and that wealth was redistributed to only benefit Tysons. This tax is supported by the majority of residents of Tysons, supported by ALL rezoning developers in Tysons, and more importantly it should be supported by all people NOT in Tysons in the rest of Fairfax because it means the infrastructure to relieve traffic over the next 40 years will come from Tysons, and not general funds. You are republicans, start acting like it, and stop opposing things for the sake of opposing them. In every way this is an example of how the private industry CAN do things better than government. Jesus H Christ people
Kim McCoy October 23, 2012 at 03:52 PM
Navid...Phase II, which had to exist to make the "comprehensive" plan work, WAS NOT FUNDED AT THE TIME WE BROKE GROUND ON PHASE I. How can you say this tax does not go towards funding the project? You said it yourself...Phase I was the only part of the ENTIRE plan that could secure FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS (that's tax payer money, by the way) because of what?...oh yea, "ridership requirements"...what were those requirements, Navid? Phase II has everything to do with this article...the "special service district" TAX is tax money going to pay for Phase II of your comprehensive Metro project plan...that tax money will be used for walkways and buses to accommodate the new Metro...not an already necessary need for those particular walks and buses. Do you know how much it costs to ride the Orange line from Vienna to Washington round trip? No matter how low you think the increase is in Metro fares, the point is, tax payers are expected to pay a higher tax rate (forever) to build it and then be saddled with the cost to maintain it FOREVER...Not only would I not buy a used car from you; I wouldn't buy a new one from you either.
Navid Roshan October 23, 2012 at 04:28 PM
Oh my dear god its like Im talking to a 5 year old. LISTEN FOR ONCE IN YOUR MISERABLE LIFE THIS TAX DOES NOT GO TO PHASE II of metro NONE OF IT. Ok? It goes towards roads, sidewalks within Tysons. Dear god why are you so vapid. This isnt even a debate. That is what it goes towards you dont even know the facts and you think you have a right to debate this. The tax that you are talking about is a special tax in Loudoun County. do you even know where that is? Its 25 miles west of Tysons. Reston will also have a special tax for metro phase II. NONE OF THESE have ANYTHING TO DO, with this article or what the BoS approved. Why dont you understand that you thick skulled botox junky
Navid Roshan October 23, 2012 at 04:33 PM
You are so dumb you are confusing the Fairfax County Master Plan with 1) The Tysons Corner Comprehensive plan which have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER And then you are also somehow confusing Fairfax Countys comprehensive plan with Metros Phase I and Phase II silver line which HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. You are putting lies and mis information out to the world and I have no idea why the people who read the patch aren't calling you out for it. Frankly I have to say shame on the patch for allowing your lies to continue. I say they are lies because these are known facts about where money is going and coming, and you don't have a basic grasp on the laws and budget policies that you supposedly are against. There is nothing to discuss as far as that goes because that is reality whether you want to believe it or not. Now go on say once again how this 7-9 cent tax in Tysons has to do with Phase II of Silver Line construction some how and I'll keep correcting you till you stop because I refuse to allow idiots get away with spouting false statements without knowing the facts.
Navid Roshan October 23, 2012 at 04:40 PM
Educate yourself on the damn subject matter and proposal before spouting off. This article is not about phase II of silver line. That is funded by Fairfax County, the Dulles Toll Road, a special tax on developers in Reston, general funds from Loudoun, and a special tax on developers in Ashburn. Ok? Not sure what the confusion is. This is what this tax goes for http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/tysons/implementation/trans_funding_followonmotions_fall2012.htm I know you can barely read but please try to follow along without thinking I am some socialist coming after you, because your moron brain can't comprehend I am a fiscal conservative and a true Virginian who can think for myself not by dictation by a party. Frankly I am starting to blame this articles writer and will likely send a message to William Callahan letting him know that his article did not properly communicate what FFX actually approved an what it was for. Phase II of the silver has nothing to do with Tysons. It has a lot to do with Fairfax, but Tysons 4 metro stops were all part of Phase 1 and are fully funded and nearly complete in construction. No more money from Tysons goes to anything in the metro system outside of the fact that like the rest of the County we in Tysons (residents and land developers too) pay normal taxes towards the general fund just like everyone else.
Kim McCoy October 23, 2012 at 06:03 PM
Navid..did you read the information in the link you posted?...did you miss this part..."provides reliable funding mechanisms to implement the visionary plan"......" a comprehensive strategy for funding the set of infrastructure improvements identified in the Tysons Plan to support the 113 million square feet of development anticipated to occur by 2050" ....AND "to pursue interim parking opportunities at the Tysons Metrorail stations." Now Navid...could you tell me why the planning commission anticipates such a need?...Could it be that the Metro will substantially increase the need for more and more infrastructure improvements and maintenance costs? I'm sure that the Metro will bring a lot of growth to the area, but at what cost to the residents?...This has already forever changed, not only the landscape of the community but the feel, pace, and general ease of the once peaceful, thriving community that was Tysons Corner. So, you go ahead, take your whiny little crying azz to the author of the article and lament that your version of the facts weren't represented in a manner you find fitting. The rest of us know exactly what's happening here...poor baby!
Navid Roshan October 23, 2012 at 06:54 PM
Oh so now you want to change what you were saying. Listen I know more about the comp plan than any one in their right mind should. I run a damn website solely on the subject matter. So lets now focus on this newest claim that you have (different from the previous one where you said that the tax would go towards Phase II). You are talking about chicken and egg. Tysons Corner is the reason why tax rates in Fairfax are lower than Loudoun. The area of Tysons generates hundreds of millions in tax dollars for Fairfax in Real Estate taxes and even more for the state in sales and commercial taxes. The way things were going everyone (or atleast most people looking at the regions crippling sprawl problems) saw that without creating order out of the chaos in Tysons that it would collapse under its own cost. That jobs would suddenly shift to new areas further west and further east leaving Fairfax in a void. The cheap offices would continue to shift further out, the prestige offices would go to Arlington or DC. Traffic and the regional impression was bringing down what for decades was one of the greatest economic stories in American History (the rise of Fairfax County). So some people wanted the status quo. Ok, but the majority in fairfax wanted real changes that would help traffic which didnt just mean another lane to I-66
Navid Roshan October 23, 2012 at 06:58 PM
However, to say this 7 cent tax is because of metro is pure fantasy. If it werent for metro the infrastructure costs needed would be more. More road plans, more highway ramps, probably the conversion of Route 7 into a limited access highway similar to Route 28. All of those things are extremely expensive and would not have been able to get the backing of private land owners and developers who wouldnt see any benefit in their value (and therefore wouldnt pay additional taxes). Metro Phase II is happening between Reston and Ashburn. Will people from there take metro into Tysons? yea probably, but the cost for roads and walkways (77 million by the way, less than 1% of the cost since most of it goes towards roads) created because of metro Phase II? Thats a stretch Kim. Thats really a desperate pivot to save face on you being absolutely wrong on so many false statements. I dont really care now though, because that atleast is an opinion. As long as you stop lying to readers and saying this tax is for metro phase II. The cost of that construction is not in anyways funded by Tysons (outside of regular general funds that everyone pays).
Navid Roshan October 23, 2012 at 07:02 PM
And again, you keep saying all these things about the peaceful life of Tysons Corner (clearly someone who doesnt live here, where I live and am a resident of). Do you live here? You still havent said yes or no. I get the feeling from all this rambling that you actually live far away from Tysons, so what matter is it to you what the residents here want to have done to our city? Its none of your business and it uses none of your money.
Kim McCoy October 23, 2012 at 07:49 PM
I have not changed what I was saying. The tax increases that keep getting passed by the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, to fund the collateral needs from the construction of the silver line, hurt the very people who have spent their entire lives living, working, and spending their money here. They are being taxed out of their homes to make way for people who can afford higher taxes but had nothing to do with the last 50 years of building it. You say "everyone" saw that "we" needed to create order out of chaos...that" Tysons was going to collapse under its own cost...right?...So, the only possible solution was to transform Tysons into something total foreign to what it has historically been and force the residents who paid for the last 50 years of economic growth out? "..."that traffic and regional "impression" was bringing down the greatest economic story in American history" Have you seen the skyline of Tysons lately? Have you tried to maneuver through the Rt.7/Rt. 123 corridor? Like I said, I have lived here my whole life (just barely outside of your precious district) and I avoid Tysons at all cost; I will not use the Metro, patronize the movie theatre, nor will I shop in the corridor. Now, to experience Tysons you must either live close enough to walk it or drive to a Metro station that will, in the future, drop you into it...at a cost....by the way, have you seen the Fairfax County employee payroll?
Navid Roshan October 23, 2012 at 10:27 PM
Kim, If you are against Tysons redevelopment. Fine, be against that. Atleast that is a position and nothing I will say will ever change the mind of people who believe suburbs are sustainable economically. But again you are confusing two different things. You don't live in Tysons, therefore NO the BoS doesn't keep raising your taxes. This should be something that you as a fiscal conservative should support. This tax in Tysons makes it so Fairfax doesnt have to raise taxes to pay for the infrastructure. It is the fair thing to do to not put the burden of that cost onto the tax payer. So as far as this article goes, again you are confused and you are making these comments on a story that actually goes with your case. Without this tax, and with the tysons comprehensive plan, the tax rates of the entire county would have had to rise 3 to 4 cents to cover the infrastructure (again not metro but metro surrounding infrastructure). Now, beyond that, yes you can be against Tysons if you like. It is a lot of risk for the county for sure, and it clearly has a big price tag. So I would suggest if you are against that you find a news article that is more inline with that. To make a comment about unsustainable tax increases on the fairfax populace on a news article which shows the complete opposite is foolish. Will Fairfax have to raise taxes through out the county? Yea maybe, but not for Tysons. For areas like Route 1, Herndon, and Centreville
Navid Roshan October 23, 2012 at 10:30 PM
The Tysons Comp plan was created as a 0 increase plan. By itself it can be self sustained via these taxes and the standard pro-rata amount that it receives in line with the rest of the county. If you are afraid of over spending by fairfax I should point you to Route 50 widening which is being done without any private development funding and at cost to tax payers. Or Route 1, or the Phase II infrastructure plan out in western fairfax. But again, you are complaining about Tysons infrastructure costs which have been responsibly covered by taxes only in the "precious" district that you refuse to shop in. I'm sorry you don't like tysons anymore. You might want to read more on my website where I talk about how Tysons density consolidation will allow preservation of areas that I also love having lived in fairfax for 3 decades like Vienna, McLean, and falls Church. The best way to preserve great places is to build great cities. That's Teddy Roosevelt.
Kim McCoy October 24, 2012 at 03:07 PM
Navid, this all started because you didn't like that I am against another tax increase on residents that you are in favor of, right? OK, you live in the "special service district" and you think it will help the long-term economic stability of you area because it will ensure "real" growth, right? Does the Tysons plan include some big industrial or manufacturing development that I'm not aware of?...I had to laugh as I wrote that question because you and I both know that the only reason Fairfax County has been somewhat insulated from the countrywide downturn is that the federal government is here. Besides the over-abundance of federal, state, and local employees, we have an abundance of necessary government contractors that provide real jobs, right? Where are those government contractors mostly located? I'll save you the trouble; they are located in Fair Lakes, Chantilly, & those outlying areas you call sprawl. You say you are a fiscal conservative, but how can you expect to fill all of that new commercial office space in Tysons unless you see an even greater expanse of the federal government or you plan to lure the existing government contractors away from the outlying areas? Let's say you are successful in luring those government contractors like Northrop Grumman, Boeing, & Booz-Allen away from other parts of Fairfax County like Fair Lakes, Chantilly, and Reston; what then should Fairfax County do with all of that commercial space in the "sprawl" districts? ....continued.
Kim McCoy October 24, 2012 at 03:07 PM
So, the commercial office space that is part of the grand "vision" for Tysons will be filled with what industry? The Tech industry? Do you remember the AOL Headquarters debacle? Why would any other industry want to relocate to Tysons when the per square foot leasing costs will not be economically sound business? "Real" growth involves a fundamental need to be in a particular area. I understand that you are a civil engineer, that you live in the district and bought for the prospect of a "city" and increasing property values, but the reality is that our property values are based on an ever-expanding federal government not real industry. If you were truly a fiscal conservative, you would be in favor of bringing some industrial and manufacturing industry to our area and not just more consumption space. To spend on consuming we must first create something of real value. Which brings me back around to my original post. The Fairfax County Board of Supervisors is a one-trick pony; they call their grand plan over the last 20 years "smart growth", but I don't believe it to be "smart" at all....What is smart about a multi-billion dollar transit project that doesn't include any industrial space; that includes only commercial office and retail space?...unless, yet again, your plan is to continue to grow the federal, state, and local governments.
Navid Roshan October 24, 2012 at 08:26 PM
Kim I am confused. Youare talking about companies in Chantilly and Fair Lakes... but the companies you mention have massive headquarters where? In Tysons Both Booz, SAIC, and North Grumman are all in Tysons as their headquarter. SAIC wants to increase their own presence in Tysons which constitutes 5% of the commercial space increase. Capital One wants to increase their headquarter size which constitutes 10% of the new comp plan size. Booz is also part of the likely expansion though they have not confirmed they will be consolidating their 3 current buildings in Tysons into 1 large building. Beyond that, 3 large companies are expanding in Tysons. LMI which has a new building. Kapscka Trafficom is leasing significant space. And mitre is continuing to grow in Tysons. There is also a new hilton hotel and office annex coming associated with Hiltons headquarters in Tysons. Exelis is expanding into Tysons. And Kaiser just moved into their very large new medical campus which is making INOVA consider a new research center at Tysons. There are over 1400 companies located in Tysons with 115,000 employees. Its not where the stores are, its where the businesses are. By allowing those fortune 500s to expand their presence it will increase job availability and really help diversify Fairfax's economy (especially if Cap1, Cardinal, Kaiser, and Hilton keep growing here)
Navid Roshan October 24, 2012 at 08:32 PM
But beyond that, the commercial element is just part of whats happening in Tysons. Our county has had trouble holding onto its residents over the past 10 years. Arlington is drawing away younger professionals and small families who want urban amenities, and Loudoun is drawing away more established families who would like to live in Fairfax for the schools but can't necessarily afford it. By creating a pressure relief in the number of housing units available in fairfax we can retain a lot of that tax base. We can get some of those young professionals living in the county which will help reduce the cost of business for many corporations. And the additional housing will be an option for retirees and people who like high density living as well. In my building we are about 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 between young professionals, young small families, and retirees. Those people being located in Tysons will also spur innovation for retailers and small businesses that are in the service industry because they now have an inherent customer base in their neighborhood. Those local retailers will keep money in our region instead of it going towards the large national retailers as currently occurs (not that there is anything wrong with that either). I am a fiscal conservative. My hope of Tysons is that it will continue to act as the engine and stable force in our county economically. I do think we need to stop over spending on things too, but investment spurs growth and gains too
Kim McCoy October 25, 2012 at 03:06 PM
Boeing - 14675 Lee Rd. Chantilly, VA., 15059 Conference Center Dr. Chantilly, VA., 13651 McLearen Rd. Herndon, VA., 460 Herndon Pkwy Herndon, VA. Northrop-Grumman - 14303 Sully field Circle, Chantilly, VA., 487 Stonecroft Blvd. Chantilly, VA., 14585 Avion Pkwy. Chantilly, VA., 4262 Entre Ct., Chantilly, VA., 14100 Park Meadow Dr. Chantilly, VA. Booz-Allen & Hamilton - 15059 Conference Center Dr. Chantilly, VA., 14151 Park Meadow Dr. Chantilly, VA., 13200 Woodland Park rd. Herndon, Va., 575 Herndon Pkwy. Herndon, VA. So, since you didn't seem to "know what I was talking about", I thought I would bring you up to speed on where these fine companies occupy tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of already existing square footage of office space in Fairfax County. Now, is your plan to move those satellite offices to Tysons?...or is the plan to grow the only industry Northern Virginia has, which is government and government contractors? The only thing that can necessitate the further expansion of those companies, in our area, is the growth of government, right? Other companies you mentioned - LMI (government contractors), Exelis (government contractors), Kapscka (doesn't even turn up on a Google search)...and the two companies/entities you mentioned that aren't government contractors are Kaiser (which I would not advertise if I were you, but that's an entirely different thread) and INOVA. As to your stance of "changing demographics"...you know, people...
Kim McCoy October 25, 2012 at 03:06 PM
So, we've had trouble holding on to our residents for the last ten years...hmm, why do you think we've only had that problem for TEN years? Could it have anything to do with the transformation of our area into an artificially expensive, "multi-cultural" nightmare with no sense of identity, purpose, or community? So, your building is 1/3, 1/3, 1/3, right? So, a transient population is the new norm your trying to create? The need for long-term residents that put down roots in their communities and raise families that have kids who eventually want to stay in the area are no longer "optimal" for "smart growth"? Look, we come at this from two very distinct viewpoints. You are an engineer whose job it is to look at things from a non-personal point of view; to "manage" people and "manage" development, to "direct" our community like an orchestra leader "leads" his musicians. I, on the other hand, am just an idiotic, class A moronic troll who has no clue what she's talking about, right? I'm not naive, I know that we are always going to be a suburb of Washington, DC and the silver line is here to stay, but in creating this "new vision" for the area, you have disenfranchised 1/2 of the population that spent their lives living in, working in and paying taxes in this part of the county precisely so it wouldn't become Arlington. You make it seem like our area was going to die without this project...it wasn't and you know it...you just have the need to justify your own progressive desire.
Navid Roshan October 25, 2012 at 06:43 PM
Kim, I am well aware that those companies have offices in other parts of Fairfax, I have friends who have worked for many of them. My point being is that they also have very large presences in Tysons ALREADY. Not going to have, they already are key players in the existing Tysons commercial market. In the case of SAIC, LMI, and Capital One they are active developers trying to increase their own commercial space so they can expand. Again, I am not sure what you are talking about Kim. No one is saying they should consolidate other offices, but they want to expand, they want to have room to increase since we are coming out of the recession. Thats something that every fairfax person should want.
Navid Roshan October 25, 2012 at 06:51 PM
We do come at this from two different points, but my point is the traditional point of the republican party. I dont know when the party started to go astray and make it seem like cities were the problem, likely when the demographics started to shift towards lower class city dwellers after eisenhower. Cities are not the problem. Teddy Roosevelt said if you build better cities you can protect the way of life and more natural and scenic areas. It is true. Its not just "urbanization" Kim, nothing in life is that simple. It is about what kind of urbanization. For years in Fairfax we have allowed it to keep expanding outward and outward, making more things covered in concrete, bigger roads, bigger everything. We dont need to do that. There are two directions space will grow, horizontally and vertically. And the point is that vertically is more sustainable, is easier to access for residents, brings in more value to the county with less obligations for cost per acre, and leaves MORE areas undisturbed. I am the first person to speak out against urbanization of neighborhoods in McLean, Vienna, Fairfax, Herndon. This county is huge in space. 30 times larger than manhattan and holds 1/8th the number of people. There is no reason we should keep building outward and disturbing established neighborhoods. The point of making Tysons better is to stop the tide of bad redevelopment elsewhere in the county, not to spur it. We just will not agree on this
Kim McCoy October 26, 2012 at 03:03 PM
Navid,...it's almost as if you're trying to be obtuse on purpose...but, at least we're getting somewhere now. So, there will be no need to consolidate the outlying office space for the government contractors, right? They have a need to further expand in our area, right?...Is Boeing going to be building commercial airliners nearby? The only need, in our area, for these companies to expand is more government contracts...hence, growing the only industry we have here, government. The expansion of the federal government doesn't fit with my idea of what "industry" is...What exactly is comprehensive about a plan that is myopic in the most important area of need...private industry that doesn't include government subsidy? ...coming out of a recession? You mean that national growth rate of 1.3%?...Who said "cities" were the problem?..not me, I love going downtown (full of beautiful architecture, museums, history)(but, I never ride the Metro to get there, I like the independence of my car!) You keep talking about "we" ...who is "we"?... "we" keep letting growth expand outward, "we" don't need that...There is no reason "we" should keep building out...Who is the "we" that decides vertical is the best plan for our immediate area?...you?...don't even get me started on the buzzword "sustainable". When you were going to your prestigious school, did they ever teach you the word indoctrination? ..and by the way, You should quit quoting Teddy Roosevelt ...I'm not a big fan.
Kim McCoy October 26, 2012 at 03:04 PM
Let's recap...OK?...without becoming mired in the minutia. I believe that the people of the region who have spent generations building the community should have the final say in how their hard-earned tax money should be spent. They should actually get to decide if they want to fund a multi-billion dollar transit project that "central planners" tell them is the best solution. I don't believe that people who may want to move to an area that may become someplace they may want to spend 8-15 years living in should get to dictate to the long-term residents...even if it is for "the collective good" of the local economy. You believe that growth must be centrally orchestrated, costly feasibility studies of all kinds should be performed over decades, projections must be made base on current trends (that can change at any time), comprehensive plans must be carried out to realize optimum mass, ...because, the little people just can't see that everything being planned for them is for the best...they just don't understand, right?
Navid Roshan October 26, 2012 at 03:27 PM
Yikes so many things. Indoctrination? You think Virginia Tech teaches people to be sustainable? When I was there it was the height of engineer bigger road culture. I learned these things by observing through years in our field that the solutions of engineering wouldnt work without the solutions of building community and better land use indicative of what was America before WWII. Feasibility studies are minute, beyond minute, in cost compared to construction. We should be doing MORE feasibility studies so we DONT spend wastefully on things. You are saying expensive? 100k to save 500 million is a pretty effective resultant. You say people should decide what is done? People do, its called elections. People have elected this BoS. People have in multiple polls said that better transit and alternative transportation options is important to them. You have issues with those polls? Go argue about them. To say that only the people who are from out of town want these things is ludacris and devoid of what people (LIKE ME BTW, you keep acting like I havent been here as long as you have and therefore dont have the right to my own beliefs on this area). The majority of people side with better and more progressive transportation options. PS you are whining about spending money on transit, 3 times more goes towards roads. We get 1 transit project in a decade and that is wasteful?
Navid Roshan October 26, 2012 at 03:31 PM
You continue to disregard public opinion, you continue to disregard good practice, you continue to argue about proper transportation design with a person who has actually worked in the damn field. Roads have a finite limit, a diminishing return. You cant just build out Route 66 infinitely have the same return on the dollar that you did when it went from 4lanes to 6, and 6 to 8. It plateaus. And when you have enough people living in a specific corridor, the use of transit becomes the most effective way to relieve traffic per dollar spent. No one is taking away your car. This is about options, but the current GOP in virginia doesnt want to provide other options for some reason even though they might be the best solution for a particular situation. We? We means us, all of us in Fairfax. Not just your group of anti-transit nuts. All of us that have lived here and care about this place, because guess what your opinion of what Fairfax should be is not the end all be all opinion. I have just as much right to my view on what improvements should be made. The way that those differences in America are resolved are via elections. If you dont like the way that those elections keep going then I suggest you figure out what your plans are. You can build a coalition, you can spread information to help your case, you can run for office if youd like. But pretending that the public is behind you, is head in the sand stuff
T Pender October 27, 2012 at 01:43 PM
avid states "This tax is supported by the majority of residents of Tysons," That's pure BS. I refer you to the minutes of the Oct 16 hearing; the RESIDENTS of Tysons, and I am one, resoundingly objected to imposing the tax on residents. 5 of he 7 Fairfax supervisors vorted FOR imposing the tax on residents--guess how many of them represent RESIDENTS of Tysons. NONE. We have been bearing the brunt of the METRO et al for years, the Developers don't have to commute through the mess they are making of my neighborhood but I do DAILY. Now you want me to pay ADDITIONAL taxes for the privilege. I agree developers have a right to a reasonable profit BUT they leave me to pay for the improvements when they finish their development. The Politicians tell me this will increase the tax base. Sounds good. However if it is such a fiscal benefit my taxes should go down as a result. Have you EVER seen that happen?
KK January 18, 2013 at 11:58 PM
Navid, I'lve lived in Fairfax County, born in Alexandria, for over 50 years. Your comments show your ignorance. I currently live walking distance to Nordstroms. No one wanted this tax increase and its yet another example of our illustrious Fairfax Board of Supervisors caving to developers and big business. The democrats answer to everything is tax the people so I'm not surprised by all of this crap. For the distinct pleasure of putting up with increased smog, noise, dump trucks, pissed off drivers, construction, major traffic jams, (did I say noise?), and accidents, we are given the pleasure to pay more taxes than any other homeowners in Fairfax County. It's BS and once again the people are screwed. Thanks Fairfax County Board of Supervisors! (now you can get back to your lunch with the developers.). If I could in any way play a role of having Sharon Bulova thrown off the Board...I would!


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